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	<title>Comments on: SKY TV sites now all built with Grails</title>
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		<title>By: Marc Palmer</title>
		<link>http://www.anyware.co.uk/2005/2008/10/03/sky-tv-sites-now-all-built-with-grails/comment-page-1/#comment-104859</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J - 

For the record the brand sites I worked on included Tropicana, Copella (leading UK apple juice brand), Tropicana Go! and PJ Smoothies, as well as Cobra beers. That&#039;s 5 brands already. Some of those sites were simple, others included custom-written blogs, reporting and all kinds of non-trivial stuff.

I am with you however in not being happy at the progress to date - I know Grails is worthy of so much more exposure.

I share your hope that the involvement of SpringSource will help us gain traction. 

In my experience contracting I find that the primary barrier to Grails usage is groovy and the dynamic programming paradigm - it is just anathema to most developers who need a lot of convincing before they see they light. This is not a problem specific to Grails, it applies to any dynamic language being &quot;sold&quot; to previously statically typed language afficionados.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J &#8211; </p>
<p>For the record the brand sites I worked on included Tropicana, Copella (leading UK apple juice brand), Tropicana Go! and PJ Smoothies, as well as Cobra beers. That&#8217;s 5 brands already. Some of those sites were simple, others included custom-written blogs, reporting and all kinds of non-trivial stuff.</p>
<p>I am with you however in not being happy at the progress to date &#8211; I know Grails is worthy of so much more exposure.</p>
<p>I share your hope that the involvement of SpringSource will help us gain traction. </p>
<p>In my experience contracting I find that the primary barrier to Grails usage is groovy and the dynamic programming paradigm &#8211; it is just anathema to most developers who need a lot of convincing before they see they light. This is not a problem specific to Grails, it applies to any dynamic language being &#8220;sold&#8221; to previously statically typed language afficionados.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.anyware.co.uk/2005/2008/10/03/sky-tv-sites-now-all-built-with-grails/comment-page-1/#comment-104643</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, so three (I&#039;ll throw in LinkedIn) recognized brands use grails now? Guys, I&#039;m rooting for you, but that&#039;s not necessarily stellar adoption. Especially since Tropicana has been trumpeted for 1-2 years now, and if I recall its use of Grails was very basic. 

Rails, on the other hand, continues to be the posterchild of the 2.0 community, even though I personally think Grails is superior in some ways. I really hope with Spring Source on the docket now, you guys will be ramping up the advocacy and increasing adoption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so three (I&#8217;ll throw in LinkedIn) recognized brands use grails now? Guys, I&#8217;m rooting for you, but that&#8217;s not necessarily stellar adoption. Especially since Tropicana has been trumpeted for 1-2 years now, and if I recall its use of Grails was very basic. </p>
<p>Rails, on the other hand, continues to be the posterchild of the 2.0 community, even though I personally think Grails is superior in some ways. I really hope with Spring Source on the docket now, you guys will be ramping up the advocacy and increasing adoption.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Saqui</title>
		<link>http://www.anyware.co.uk/2005/2008/10/03/sky-tv-sites-now-all-built-with-grails/comment-page-1/#comment-99450</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Saqui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike,

Grails 1.0.3

Plugins:
fckeditor
quartz
testing
webtest
searchable
selenium
jsunit
and a couple of hand written ones

tv.sky.com, movies.sky.com, showbiz.sky.com, sky1.sky.com all run off the same codebase just styled differently and different modules on each page.  These four sites in a month get around 110 million hits in total. 

They essentially have 4 production nodes that sit behind a load balancer and a cdn.  Since the site is so read heavy compared to write heavy we cache as much stuff up the stack as possible.  That means we use our CDN pretty extensively as well as caching at the load balancer.  Those 4 web boxes are all vm&#039;s that point to a cluster of 2 postgres db&#039;s vms.  We have one node that isn&#039;t available to the outside that is used for our rich publishing system that the editors use.

What else would you like to know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike,</p>
<p>Grails 1.0.3</p>
<p>Plugins:<br />
fckeditor<br />
quartz<br />
testing<br />
webtest<br />
searchable<br />
selenium<br />
jsunit<br />
and a couple of hand written ones</p>
<p>tv.sky.com, movies.sky.com, showbiz.sky.com, sky1.sky.com all run off the same codebase just styled differently and different modules on each page.  These four sites in a month get around 110 million hits in total. </p>
<p>They essentially have 4 production nodes that sit behind a load balancer and a cdn.  Since the site is so read heavy compared to write heavy we cache as much stuff up the stack as possible.  That means we use our CDN pretty extensively as well as caching at the load balancer.  Those 4 web boxes are all vm&#8217;s that point to a cluster of 2 postgres db&#8217;s vms.  We have one node that isn&#8217;t available to the outside that is used for our rich publishing system that the editors use.</p>
<p>What else would you like to know?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.anyware.co.uk/2005/2008/10/03/sky-tv-sites-now-all-built-with-grails/comment-page-1/#comment-99260</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, sorry.  It sounded like you were involved based on your first comment where you used &#039;we&#039; in describing the decision around CMS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, sorry.  It sounded like you were involved based on your first comment where you used &#8216;we&#8217; in describing the decision around CMS.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Palmer</title>
		<link>http://www.anyware.co.uk/2005/2008/10/03/sky-tv-sites-now-all-built-with-grails/comment-page-1/#comment-99249</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know Mike, its not my site!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know Mike, its not my site!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.anyware.co.uk/2005/2008/10/03/sky-tv-sites-now-all-built-with-grails/comment-page-1/#comment-99229</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s awesome!  Is it possible to share the rough hardware specs behind the site?  What plugins are being used?  Is there a lot of front-end caching or hibernate caching being used?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s awesome!  Is it possible to share the rough hardware specs behind the site?  What plugins are being used?  Is there a lot of front-end caching or hibernate caching being used?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Palmer</title>
		<link>http://www.anyware.co.uk/2005/2008/10/03/sky-tv-sites-now-all-built-with-grails/comment-page-1/#comment-99187</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A CMS would have been useful but a) there isn&#039;t one on the market that does what we need vis having lots of custom page layouts and lots of text panels etc, and b) we do plenty of other bits that are not pure CMS - data tracking, competitions (automated draws, notification of winners) among other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A CMS would have been useful but a) there isn&#8217;t one on the market that does what we need vis having lots of custom page layouts and lots of text panels etc, and b) we do plenty of other bits that are not pure CMS &#8211; data tracking, competitions (automated draws, notification of winners) among other things.</p>
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		<title>By: Roshan Shrestha</title>
		<link>http://www.anyware.co.uk/2005/2008/10/03/sky-tv-sites-now-all-built-with-grails/comment-page-1/#comment-98709</link>
		<dc:creator>Roshan Shrestha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have imagined that a Content Management System would have better suited http://www.copellafruitjuices.co.uk/ and http://www.tropicana.co.uk/ instead of Grails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have imagined that a Content Management System would have better suited <a href="http://www.copellafruitjuices.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.copellafruitjuices.co.uk/</a> and <a href="http://www.tropicana.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tropicana.co.uk/</a> instead of Grails.</p>
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